Histamine and FODMOP and AIP

[kt]

Hello All,

I have been on AIP for 4 months and am not feeling considerably better. For a number of reasons I think that FODMOPs and Histamines are an issue for me. Have any of you found ways to deal with both of these? It seems very restrictive to do both at once. Is it better to do them separately? Have you found any resources for doing them both at the same time?

Definitely feeling very overwhelmed right now and my doc is recommending to add non-AIP foods back in while doing a FODMOP, but I really want to make sure my gut would be healing if I took FODMOPs out so would like to keep at AIP as well.

Thanks.
KT

[MindyK]

Hi KT,
I'm sorry that you're feeling so overwhelmed! I can definitely understand the feeling because I had to find a way to do AIP while removing 47 foods that I'm sensitive to. My best suggestion would be to listen to your body and your emotions. If you feel like doing both at once is too much then give yourself time to adjust to just one before adding the other. I still haven't found any recipes that combine AIP and histamines but there is a FODMAP thread in the main Food Sensitivities folder that gives some options for recipes. I know it can feel like so much but don't give up! You are worth it!

[evawitsel]

Have you seen Jaime's article on this subject? I really liked it :-)
gutsybynature.com/2013/10/02/low-fodmap-and-paleo-autoimmune-protocol-what-can-i-eat/

The worst offenders for histamine intolerance seem to be fermented foods, so I would leave them out. And I would also try to eat fresh foods as much as possible. If you want to eat leftovers, better keep them in the freezer than your fridge. Maybe not worry too much about other high histamine foods and see how it goes with low FODMAP + AIP + leaving out fermented foods & eating as fresh as possible. Maybe that's enough to heal. You can always leave out other high histamine foods if this is not enough for you.

[kt]

Thanks evawitsel!

Do you think it would also be worth limiting broth and vinegar for histamines (I was consuming them everyday)?
Has anyone had experience with water keifir working all right with histamine intolerance?

[evawitsel]

Do you know the difference between meat stock and bone broth? I would stick with meat stock. And if you have a pressure cooker, use that to make the meat stock, that lessens the cooking time (and thus the histamine amount) considerably.

You can read more about the difference between stock and broth on this page:
www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/stock-vs-broth-are-you-confused/

You don't need vinegar to make stock/broth. We hardly ever use it.

Water kefir, hmm, not sure. Might leave that out to begin with and try later.

[AnnaO]

Hi kt!
I'm sensitive to FODMAPS and suspect histamine intolerance as well (it's that or yeast). I read this from The low Histamine Chef and found it very interesting: thelowhistaminechef.com/wondering-why-you-react-to-everything-you-eat/
I'm revising my strategy of cutting out so many foods and am going to try to introduce as many as I can without reacting too much. As it is I'm still not reaction free even after cutting out so many foods, so I don't think I'm doing myself a disservice, rather the opposite.