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Post by elthunder1990 on Apr 9, 2014 23:27:33 GMT -5
I started the AIP a little over 5 weeks ago and was able to check my thyroid labs at the beginning and now. My TSH has increased from 3.73 to 5.46. Both antibodies have gone up in the same time frame as well.
I had the labs drawn at the same time of day both times.
Any thoughts on why this may have happened?
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Post by olivia on Apr 10, 2014 1:13:18 GMT -5
It's hard to say. It may be diet related or may not be. Hashimoto's can be all over the place and can vary from one test to the next. How long have you been diagnosed with it?
I have Hashi's too, and I feel like this diet has been a challenge with my thyroid. After about 3 weeks on AIP I started having heart palpitations and decided to try reducing my medication a little, which totally made it worse. So I thought maybe it was a blood sugar issue and upped my starches. That helped a little, but didn't fix it. Then I decided to try changing when I took my medication. I used to take it first thing in the morning. I take a combination of Synthroid and Armour. I decided to try taking all of the Synthroid and part of the Armour before bed, then take the rest of the Armour when I woke up. That seems to have fixed it so far. I've been strict AIP about 2 1/2 months now.
It's a constant process of experimentation. One thing I can say is that this diet can have an effect on your thyroid, and might necessitate making some adjustments in your macronutrient ratios, micronutrients (I upped my magnesium), and medication dosage or timing.
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Post by olivia on Apr 10, 2014 1:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by ljohnson on Apr 10, 2014 6:54:43 GMT -5
What medication are you on?
Your TSH should not be that high, either number you listed! According to Mary Shomon (thyroid patient advocate-about.com) people usually feel the best when their TSH is at the lower end of a 0.3-3.0.
What time of day/night do yoy take your medication?
Are you seeing an endocrinoligist, internist, functional or what kind if doctor?
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Post by elthunder1990 on Apr 10, 2014 7:30:53 GMT -5
It's hard to say. It may be diet related or may not be. Hashimoto's can be all over the place and can vary from one test to the next. How long have you been diagnosed with it? I have Hashi's too, and I feel like this diet has been a challenge with my thyroid. After about 3 weeks on AIP I started having heart palpitations and decided to try reducing my medication a little, which totally made it worse. So I thought maybe it was a blood sugar issue and upped my starches. That helped a little, but didn't fix it. Then I decided to try changing when I took my medication. I used to take it first thing in the morning. I take a combination of Synthroid and Armour. I decided to try taking all of the Synthroid and part of the Armour before bed, then take the rest of the Armour when I woke up. That seems to have fixed it so far. I've been strict AIP about 2 1/2 months now. It's a constant process of experimentation. One thing I can say is that this diet can have an effect on your thyroid, and might necessitate making some adjustments in your macronutrient ratios, micronutrients (I upped my magnesium), and medication dosage or timing. I've been diagnosed with Hashimoto's for about 10 years. I like your ideas about switching up the dosing times and macronutrient and micronutrient ratios. That's sure an easy enough thing to try. It's also helpful to hear someone else say that Hashimoto's can be all over the place. That's been one of the challenges all along for me...and nobody really understands that it's a constantly moving target. I had recently been on bio-identical HRT and had also been taking melatonin at bedtime, both for several months. I stopped both about the same time I started the AIP. Do you think that could have affected my TSH and antibodies? Thanks for your comment, Olivia! Please stay in the conversation! |
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Post by elthunder1990 on Apr 10, 2014 7:34:28 GMT -5
Great thought! I did increase my seafood originally when I started the diet. After a few weeks, I began thinking I was allergic/sensitive to it, so stopped. Maybe that short-term exposure triggered a "flare". (This really does feel like a flare. Some intermittently recurring symptoms accompany these new labs. But I've never had lab numbers in the past to validate what I consider a flare.) I'll take some time to re-read Chris' article. |
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Post by elthunder1990 on Apr 10, 2014 7:45:46 GMT -5
What medication are you on? Your TSH should not be that high, either number you listed! According to Mary Shomon (thyroid patient advocate-about.com) people usually feel the best when their TSH is at the lower end of a 0.3-3.0. What time of day/night do yoy take your medication? Are you seeing an endocrinoligist, internist, functional or what kind if doctor? I'm on Armour. I know my TSH should be lower, but over the last several years, I have terrible symptoms when I increase my medication (have tried Synthroid alone, together with slow-release T3, and that alone, too). I get terrible palpitations and anxiety and panic. I have taken my Armour just in the morning right when I get up. I'm going to add another smaller dose before lunch and see how that goes. I have bounced between doctors the last few years because none of them have any answers, even the ones that should. I just started seeing a functional medicine doctor who ordered a Nutreval (micronutrient testing) and comprehensive stool analysis, so looking forward to seeing what those tests show. I've had the Nutreval done before, and it didn't really show anything. I've also recently connected with a functional chiropractor who wants to work on my adrenals. I'm thinking about adding potatoes back in. I know they're not paleo, but I've done well with them in the past (or at least thought I did). I don't get the same results from sweet potatoes or plantains. Other starch ideas? |
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Post by ljohnson on Apr 10, 2014 8:18:15 GMT -5
Thyroid patients need to be mindful of starches. They feed the thyroid, meaning thyroid patients often feel terrible trying too low of a low-carb diet. I do eat white rice on occassion, especially if I am fatigued. I tolerate it well. It is an individual thing. (Not Paleo-but with disease you need to do what works for you)
Some people (myself included) do better taking my meds (Nature Thyroid and T3Cytomel) at night. I don't eat any snacks after dinner, so I know I am taking them on an empty stomach. This allows all the medication to be absorbed without interruption. The one hour before eating in the morning just doesn't work for me. If you switch when you take your meds, be sure to have labs drawn at six weeks to see where you are. My medication need went down after starting Paleo, just starting AIP. We'll see how that changes things too.
Good Luck!
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Post by ljohnson on Apr 10, 2014 8:19:53 GMT -5
Come back and let us know how the tests from the functional doc go!!!
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Post by darcie on Apr 10, 2014 23:58:16 GMT -5
I think for sure stopping the HRT could be making a difference. I experienced all sorts of wacky stuff with my sex hormones within a short time of starting paleo and AIP - I was sure I was going into premature menopause. My cycles became very different, both very long and super short, and I had raging PMS for the first time in my life. But within a few months things started to stabilize and now I'm more regular than ever, with hardly any cramps or PMS. I don't think we appreciate how interconnected the systems are and how the different hormones interact with each other.
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Post by ccobine on Apr 11, 2014 16:25:19 GMT -5
Do you make green smoothies? Raw kale, spinach, or chard smoothies had an immediate negative impact for me. You might ask your Dr. about it.
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Post by elthunder1990 on Apr 12, 2014 15:35:50 GMT -5
Thyroid patients need to be mindful of starches. They feed the thyroid, meaning thyroid patients often feel terrible trying too low of a low-carb diet. I do eat white rice on occassion, especially if I am fatigued. I tolerate it well. It is an individual thing. (Not Paleo-but with disease you need to do what works for you) Some people (myself included) do better taking my meds (Nature Thyroid and T3Cytomel) at night. I don't eat any snacks after dinner, so I know I am taking them on an empty stomach. This allows all the medication to be absorbed without interruption. The one hour before eating in the morning just doesn't work for me. If you switch when you take your meds, be sure to have labs drawn at six weeks to see where you are. My medication need went down after starting Paleo, just starting AIP. We'll see how that changes things too. Good Luck! Well, since I needed to up my medication, I decided to add the additional Armour right before bed. We'll see how that goes. I'll also try to be consistent with starches. I didn't really think I was very low-carb, because I generally eat a couple pieces of fruit a day...but starch is a particular type of carb, I guess. I had never heard that starches feed the thyroid, so that's helpful info. Thanks! |
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Post by elthunder1990 on Apr 12, 2014 15:37:47 GMT -5
Do you make green smoothies? Raw kale, spinach, or chard smoothies had an immediate negative impact for me. You might ask your Dr. about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No green smoothies, but I did increase the amount of cruciferous vegetables I was eating. They were all cooked, so I thought that was okay. But maybe it's just too much of a good thing. I'm cutting back on them regardless. |
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Post by jamiekoonce on Apr 13, 2014 14:01:49 GMT -5
Are you consuming gelatin, bone broth, or a lot of fiber-rich foods within 4 hours of taking your medication? This can decrease your absorption of medication.
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Post by amcyg on Apr 14, 2014 15:46:23 GMT -5
5 weeks may still be too short of a time to see results. I have Hashimoto's too, and my antibodies have been all over the place. My goal right now is to figure out what the source of inflammation is.
How is your digestion after doing AIP? Did you go straight to AIP from a non-Paleo/standard American diet? If so, you may benefit a lot from digestive enzymes and betaine/HCL. Lately, I've also been experimenting with systemic enzymes in between meals to try to reduce inflammation. I'm using Wobenzym for that, which has been used in Germany for decades to relieve arthritis and other joint pain, but has also been proven to reduce antibodies in Hashimoto's patients.
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